reid is just playing the role for president obama. >> you said he's eager to go over the cliff because he gets his revenue, he gets his cut. >> blame republicans. >> and he can blame republicans but the problem is many economists say if we do go over the cliff, i don't know if it's true or not, but many economists are saying we will go back into recession. >> the president seems so fixated on increasing tax rates. it's confusing him to all the other issues that are out there, which is spending. the problem is we spend too much. the only way to get out of this, the only way to get out of this $16 trillion debt that we have, is to grow the economy and do reforms to the entitlement programs, to medicare, to social security, to medicaid. those are the title waves coming at us. we have to make sure we safe and protect those programs for future generations. >> thank you, sir. >> thanks for having me. >> and senator rand paul insisting it will be pardon to get his vote. we spoke with him on capitol hill. nice to see you, sir.